Can you use “swag” and “T.D. Jakes” in the same sentence, or naw? I must admit I wasn’t expecting the internationally renown man of God, Bishop T.D. Jakes to be so cool and down to earth. You know that uncle at the cookout who’s grillin one minute, then strolling down the Soul Train line the next? That’s T.D. Jakes.
The mega preacher is stepping from behind the pulpit on Sundays and into your living room five days a week with his new talk show which airs locally as well as on OWN (The Oprah Winfrey Network). In an exclusive interview Bishop Jakes gets candid about second chances, knowing your worth and what women don’t understand when it comes to men and relationships.
ZD: You previously shared that you discussed doing a TV project with Dr. Phil in ’09 but it “wasn’t a good time” and you also had an evening talk-show on BET in 2013. Many people just starting out in their career are afraid to pass up on opportunities even if they may not get what they’re worth. When God gives you an idea, how do you trust that an opportunity to bring it to fruition will come back around?
T.D. Jakes: I had built a strong brand before I had ever started the discussion of having a talk show. I think it’s important that when you’re bringing something to the table that you’re sure has value, that you don’t diminish yourself just so that you can have an opportunity. It’s better to wait for something that respects you than to go in so low that it diminishes what you’ve worked for. I have certain standards for myself so if something drops beneath that standard or if the opportunity doesn’t fit who I am authentically at my core–I don’t invest time where my brand isn’t respected or where what I have to offer isn’t appreciated. You shouldn’t shoot at every opportunity that passes by. But when it comes to bringing an idea that God has given you to fruition, don’t wait for it to happen again, you have to get out there and make it happen. You have to knock on doors. You can’t keep your dreams a secret. You have to put them out there on display and people can say whatever they want but keep on pointing your actions towards your dreams.
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ZD: Many women feel as if they have it all together professionally but they’re struggling to find a relationship that leads to marriage because many men in their 20s and 30s aren’t making dating and relationships a priority. Being that you got married at 24, were you whole? And what do you tell young women about refocusing their energy away from the longing to be in a relationship?
TDJ: No, I wasn’t whole. I’m not sure that you’re ever whole in the way I think you’re referring to. The art of life is to find somebody who’s brokenness fits yours and you can accommodate each other and grow together. The reason I say you’re not whole is because life is like dancing on a moving floor, as soon as you get used to it, it moves. So maybe by the time you get used to having little kids, they’re teenagers then they’re off to college. Everything continues to change and you can’t be so sure of yourself because your life keeps evolving. So you want someone who’s liquid with you and who will go and grow with you.
But the deeper answer to your question–I want the women who are listening to me not to think that the slowness of young men to marry you is an indictment against you. [Don’t think] it’s because you’re not pretty enough, you’re not smart enough, you’re not sexy enough or all of the things that the world will tell you. The truth of the matter is, we don’t raise our sons to have marriage as a goal. Our sons don’t grow up playing house or playing with dolls or imagining what they’re gonna wear on their wedding [day]. We raise our girls as if they aren’t really accomplished until they have a marriage—we don’t tell the boys that. So when you get to the dating point that you’re at right now, you’ve been practicing something that the man has never thought about and that’s where the problem is. He doesn’t see you as the dream he imagined when he was little not because you’re not beautiful but because he wasn’t taught with that kind of thought.
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ZD: How do you get the message across, especially to millennials that “T.D. Jakes” the talk show host isn’t the same T.D. Jakes from The Potter’s House that preaches sermons on Sundays? How are you reaching people differently but still leaving them with an important message?
TDJ: The funny thing about it is, this experience hasn’t been that different for me. The subjects are just broader. My church is fifty percent millennials. There’s a connectivity between millennials and I. I started my ministry when I was 19, I was pastoring at 22 and I got married when I was 24, so I was building at such a young age and that fight, that dream and tenacity is still in me. I just did a show with millennials and it was amazing because their approach is different, times have changed but I understand some of the synergy that goes along with it. There’s a connectivity between your generation, my ministry and who I am as a person.
ZD: What prayers did you say over your life in your 20s in order to help manifest the personal and professional accomplishments you have today?
TDJ: I don’t think it was in what I prayed because I was scared just like the kids are today. I didn’t know who I was and I didn’t know if what was in me was any good. But my parents taught me to believe in myself and to work until something happens. I think the thing that people do wrong today is that they pray for external validation. I wasn’t looking out, I was looking in. I knew something was in me, I just wasn’t sure how valuable it was. But I wasn’t trying to be rich or famous; I was trying to figure out what is this thing in me that won’t let me sleep that makes me restless and makes me keep pushing. I was trying to discover who I was. Set the goal to harvest what’s in you rather than having a car, house or a relationship. The real harvest of life is the outworking of the internal. If there’s nothing in there, there’s nothing to work out.
ZD: Many of your messages reference the importance of not despising humble beginnings because your initial congregation only consisted of seven people. How should we stay encouraged to keep pursuing the things we’re passionate about even if we’re not seeing the fruits of our labor?
TDJ: I think many people have an illusion of success based on entering in at a level that’s higher than their experiences. My greatest strength was when I had seven members. It’s a culture shock to go from obscurity to notoriety in a flash. Its more to it than talent and money; its pressure, stress, enemies, critics; you have to develop relationships and a team. There are all of these things that go along with taking a leap and following your dreams.
I would tell your generation, wherever you are on the totem poll–whether you’re halfway there or at the bottom, don’t despise small beginnings; small beginnings get you ready for great things. But don’t get stuck on small. Don’t stop dreaming, reaching and enhancing what you have.
I believe God promotes you when you graduate from the level that you’re on. He’s not going to promote you because you have a dream, He’s going to promote you because you’ve maximized where you are so now you’re ready to go to the next level.
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ZD: Through social media, we’re constantly comparing our lives and our looks to others. How do you encourage this generation to focus on their talents without questioning their self worth?
TDJ: We pay far too much attention to externals. If you’re gifted enough, nappy hair, gap teeth, acne face–I don’t care what it is, greatness will shine through anything! Don’t try to change the package more than you try and change the product. I don’t care how fancy you wrap trash, it’s still trash. And I don’t care how cheap the box is that you put a diamond ring in, nothing about the box diminishes the value of the content.
Put the greatest emphasis on what’s in you; your knowledge, your wisdom, your inner strength, your character, your tenacity and people will look through the box and always walk away with the product. No one keeps the container, they always keep the product.
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T.D. Jakes airs weeknights at 6PM/5PM CST on OWN (Oprah Winfrey Network) Visit: tdjakes.com/show/ for additional local listings.